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I’m thinking we're back! We have turned our listeners over to their evil desires and we'll be covering the book of Romans. Is the Apostle Paul the cranky old uncle Jef makes him out to be or is he in fact an arbiter of good news?
We’d love to hear from you.
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00:00.00
Jeremy
Hey everybody we're back I don't know if this is like season 2 or what we're calling this but we're back my name's Jeremy I'm joined with Jeff Jeff how you feeling about whatever whatever we're in right now.
00:13.17
forestandtrees
You know Jeremy people keep asking me if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer but now yeah I'm thinking I'm back.
00:25.92
Jeremy
What's up from I get I can't remember John Wick yes oh gosh this is gonna this is gonna confuse some of our listeners because I'm I'm obviously committed to nonviolence.
00:28.17
forestandtrees
It's from John Wick people keep asking him if he's back. What do you think about the john wick franchise jeremy.
00:43.79
Jeremy
But I freakin love that series. It's so good and it's like I would say I put that like in the guilty pleasure category of in real life I don't believe that that is how you solve anything. However, for pure form of you know Entertainment Chiana Reeves as a stud and.
00:55.93
forestandtrees
Um.
01:02.36
Jeremy
The movies are so absurd. Anyways I mean you have to suspend so much disbelief to watch it but they are fun. Yeah, they're fun I like them.
01:09.34
forestandtrees
Yeah, yeah, I feel similarly I feel somewhat morally confused about why do I feel so drawn to these movies because I don't like guns I don't like dogs you know like I feel like.
01:21.73
Jeremy
But wow.
01:25.66
forestandtrees
Like if my wife were to pass away sadly and then leave me a dog to take care of that would just be like pouring salt in the wound and also I just feel like the whole ah concept of revenge is so morally bankrupt you know I feel like I feel like Keyan Reeves could take a note from. The book of romans and be kind to his enemies thus be pouring burning coals atop their head. Do you know what? I mean? Yeah, yeah.
01:49.83
Jeremy
Um, that's good. That's good I See what I see what you're doing there a little foreshadowing of what's to come? Ah, yeah, no, the reality is how many of our shows in general are all revenge stories I mean it's It's not the most creative plotline but it's.
02:03.63
forestandtrees
Um.
02:05.40
Jeremy
It's the plot of most movies. So let's just be real revenge stories sell but what's even better is what we're gonna get to in the book of Romans see how I I redeemed that thing I just I just hold that right back in.
02:15.90
forestandtrees
Yeah, nice, you've you've transitioned my transition that's beautiful.
02:21.90
Jeremy
And let's just let's just say it up front. You guys did this? Okay I I thought we were going genesis. We put it up to a vote I personally voted for John I only voted once I gave myself 1 vote voted for John that was my hope it looked like genesis was the front runner and then. Out of nowhere romance. Did you did you anticipate this Jeff.
02:44.79
forestandtrees
Never saw it come and no I I am also completely surprised by the results I personally did not vote because I felt like that would be unethical for me to sway the the vote though. Yeah for the record.
02:56.91
Jeremy
Wow, You're like you're like the pope you you abstained your own vote that is so holy of you. So.
03:04.92
forestandtrees
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm the pope of this podcast for sure easily or maybe or maybe there are 2 popes you know, ah well actually actually not anymore one just passed away. Sadly anyway. Um.
03:08.86
Jeremy
That's exactly how people feel about you? Oh it's a great movie.
03:19.51
forestandtrees
Was I going to say I I personally probably would have voted for John but between those 3 so the 3 we put up were genesis the gospel of John and the book of romans which is what one I thought genesis was just a shoo in because I figured just that's that's the most popular book because it's got you know. All of these iconic famous stories. Lots of fun narratives. You know like obviously the very very beginning of all of time creation. All of that stuff. Yeah, it. It seemed like a shoo-in and I was excited to cover a lot of that stuff but I was ah I was also nervous about how long it was going to be It would be basically a year-long commitment because genesis is.
03:51.66
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:57.12
forestandtrees
50 chapters and I I think we would have to basically go chapter by chapter, especially towards the beginning. Ah yeah, but romans I thought you know people people aren't interested in in this letter to the romans you know, just just old uncle Paul listing a bunch of rules and stuff for people to follow who wants to. And sixteen weeks on that.
04:17.27
Jeremy
Well, we are gonna spend sixteen weeks on that. So let's get into it here's here's a few thoughts I have Jeff I'll see your your take on on my take because I think you and i. We may we may approach this book differently and this is gonna be some good conversation I'm I'm excited for it. But here's I want to lay out a couple premises and disagree. You know if you if you disagree we'll see what what you think but here's one I'm gonna put out there and this may come as a surprise but I'm just gonna put it on record now that this is a book. About good news I'm saying it now well and if you just count chapter 1 alone 7 times the phrase good news shows up and I want to give you just like a few verses I mean we're not getting into anything today is this overview.
04:53.80
forestandtrees
Um, yeah, he keep he keeps saying that throughout the book. Good news. He's bringing.
05:08.62
Jeremy
This is not chapter one yet, you have to wait till next week but just a little taste of how good this book is and we're gonna we're gonna go through the goodness of god here. So here. We go chapter 5 verse two says this because of our faith Christ has brought us into this place of undeserved. Privilege who here's a phrase where we now stand and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing god's glory I like that chapter 8 verses thirty Eight thirty nine and I'm convinced that nothing can ever separate us from god's love. Neither death nor life neither angels nor demons neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow. Not even the powers of hell Jeff can separate us from god's love no power in the sky above or in the earth below indeed. Nothing in all creation. Will ever be able to separate us from the love of god that is revealed in who the person of Christ Jesus our Lord Amen and Amen and finally 1 more chapter 15 verse thirteen I pray that god the source of hope. Will fill you completely with joy and peace because you trust in him and then you will overflow with confident hope through the power of the holy spirit. So Jeff my friend do you think of this as a book of good news.
06:41.20
forestandtrees
Yeah that's what I've been thinking about as I've been ah reading it these past few days I've been actually just kind of going on walks and bike rides and trying to listen to the book all the way through. And yeah, that's that's something that I've noticed over and over again. Paul keeps saying this is good news I bring to you. And so I'm trying to figure out. Okay, so what's the good news. You know what's what's the gospel from Paul's perspective and it seems to be you know, like because of Jesus and the the crucifixion resurrection all that stuff where we're saved from god's anger or like the destruction of sin right for all of sin and fall short of the glory of god. So it. It certainly is good news if you're starting from that premise of like thinking of yourself or humanity in general as as sinners in need of saving which of course is is a very Christian way to view the world. Ah, certainly the way I was brought up and. I don't know it's it's a challenging thought because I certainly don't think people are necessarily perfect or great but like are we I don't know are are we sinful and in need of this salvation by default and I know you've spoke against original sin before. Um, but yeah I don't know I guess and if we've already kind of litigated the whole like atonement theory. So I'm not sure. Yeah I'm not I'm not sure what what to think about all of that stuff of like you know are we say say that we are sinful filthy regs and that kind of thing are we saved because of.
08:14.39
forestandtrees
The resurrection of Jesus ah, you know if if we do need help and and Jesus is indeed the only way we can get the help then I guess it is good news. So yeah I'm I'm still deciding mm.
08:23.66
Jeremy
So you're wondering if we have a different starting point than maybe the traditional Christian starting point is it still good news from a different starting point. It's not fair. Okay I like that. Let's let's test that.
08:33.37
forestandtrees
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay.
08:40.16
Jeremy
And in ah in the book of romans we'll test if it's still good news from different vantage points now here's what I want to say I'm gonna I'm calling this my trifecta so well this this should be this should be a social media graphic Jeff I'm gonna put that out there to to my artist friend.
08:55.72
forestandtrees
Okay.
08:58.70
Jeremy
I'm gonna say that there is a an impressive chapter trifecta in the book of romans. Okay, and so here's my claim I'm gonna make that the book of romans has got one of the most underrated chapters in all of the bible. It's got one of the most misunderstood. Chapters in all of the bible and third it's got one of the most amazing chapters for valuing the role of women in leadership and taken as a whole the 3 chapters I'm referencing are truly profound chapters and those 3 episodes.
09:31.91
forestandtrees
Oh it can I can I guess what the chapters are okay I'm guessing you to say chapter 8 is underrated I'm guessing or say chapter 9 is misunderstood because that's the the super calvinist chapter and I'm guessing.
09:35.31
Jeremy
Are gonna be Killer ooh. Okay, yeah, let's let's go. Let's go all right underrated. What's your what's your vote.
09:47.36
Jeremy
M.
09:51.43
forestandtrees
The final chapter chapter 16 is going to be the one that that proves women can do ministry because says say hello to Priscilla and Aqula and Phoebe was I right? Ok, nice.
10:00.57
Jeremy
Um, you are 33% right 80 guess on which one you got right? Yes, the last one I understand where you're going with 8 and 9 and.
10:09.13
forestandtrees
Ah, the last one. Okay or.
10:16.10
Jeremy
You know what I don't I don't even disagree with with offering those as you did and I do think eight is underrated and I do think 9 is misunderstood. So I will agree with you on that. But I'm just gonna make the argument now that it's not as underrated and not as misunderstood as. The chapters I'm referencing and so I'm just this is a spoiler because it's gonna be a while till we get there I'm gonna say chapter twelve one of the most underrated chapters in the entire bible I'm putting it out there now. Chapter 12 is a freaking gold mine and we don't act like that chapter 13 I think is possibly the most or up there top 5 most misunderstood chapters of the bible and that sucker is quoted all the time as we'll see when we get to chapter 13 and then yes as you said the one of the most beautiful, amazing. Let's value women differently than the historic church. Has tended to is chapter 16 and we're gonna end on a beautiful high note. So that's gonna be a while before we get to my trifecta so I just wanted to throw that out there and I appreciate you playing along and voting.
11:25.28
forestandtrees
All right? So we got we have a lot to look forward to but it's all it's all in the back half. Apparently so might be a might be a slog to get through the beginning here. Yeah.
11:31.21
Jeremy
Yeah, well. Okay, so here's here's but if we can just make it to chapter 12 friends hang with us. We're gonna get the gender look no, it's it's good before that and.
11:45.51
forestandtrees
It's like when someone recommends a Tv show to you and you know like yeah, the first 5 seasons are pretty bad. But after that it's great.
11:52.49
Jeremy
Um, listen just skip over the next handful of episodes they're they're garbage because the good stuff's coming. No I think the whole book's good I'm just telling you The trifecta are like you know like up there up there chapters that we're gonna see we're get there but ah.
11:56.87
forestandtrees
Ah.
12:09.40
Jeremy
I'll land my my overview with this I'm gonna give a big huge spoiler Jeff I'm gonna give it to you right? up front of what I'm gonna do in all these conversations. Okay, so I'm going to equip you now I'm playing my cards I'm showing them on the table to you and you can you can go after this if you want this is. This is up to you how you want to how you want to play this game but here's here's my strategy and I'm just I'm just saying upfront I am going to submit paul to Jesus and I am not going to treat them as Pierce I almost want to say the right offront I'm going to submit paul to Jesus. Now this is gonna give us a chance and give me a chance to practice and show how I do it of a dynamic reading of scripture rather than a flat reading so a flat reading. We've kind of referenced these ideas before a flat reading is every passage in the bible. Is equal weight equal significance equal value equal application doesn't matter where you find it. They're all equally inspired right? and and no discerment is needed I'm going to argue against that heavily and what I'm going to argue week in and week out is that a lot of the issues we have. With Romans is because we elevate Paul to Jesus Level and Paul is not Jesus and so yeah, Paul got to write romans but we are going to submit paul's ideas and Paul's theology to the person of Jesus because Paul is not the exact representation.
13:39.43
Jeremy
Of Jesus of of what god looks like not the radiance of god as we have seen in in our previous study of hebrews that's Jesus so we're going to point all of romans all the book of romans to Jesus so Jeff that that that's it I'm just I'm putting it out there. What do you think.
13:54.76
forestandtrees
I I think that does not surprise me so I but I'm glad to hear it you know I certainly think that that is probably somewhat like provocative news to the more conservative believers I suppose because I don't know that. When I the way I was brought up I wouldn't say anyone would say that out loud that Paul is as important as Jesus but in terms of ah in terms of like the teaching the doctrine. The things I was taught. Yeah, probably a lot more of that content came from Paul and came from the letters then came from the Gospels.
14:28.80
Jeremy
Sure.
14:30.34
forestandtrees
And think a lot of it has to do with just the fact that the gospels are like stories. You know that they have some teachings of Jesus in there but a lot of it is more narrative stuff harder to like 1 to one application versus like the letters of Paul are just like literally I'm telling you what to do I'm laying out. Like theology doctrine. All those things. Um, so yeah, that's that kind of speaks to my journey a little bit with throughout like my early adulthood christianity I remember back when I was in bible college the the epistles in the letters of Paul. Were my favorite part of the bible or they were always my go to for bible study for that reason because it felt like the easiest thing to read in terms of personal application. You know Jesus was cool but he was kind of mysterious and sometimes didn't know what to do with the old testament. Very interesting. But.
15:15.52
Jeremy
M.
15:25.48
forestandtrees
Very mysterious in terms of personal application more often than not um, so so yeah, this will be interesting to see see what what we can gain from from this new perspective taking Paul down a peg but but still learning a thing or 2 from him.
15:38.51
Jeremy
Sure and you know like we do with you know, all scripture. We we still I still believe it's inspired by god I still believe it. It helps us understand who god is but that doesn't come from a flat reading. It comes from a dynamic reading where we process it and we we keep Jesus Center in the conversation and that'll certainly be what I'll do cause you're gonna have lots of really difficult questions for me in the book of romans which is why when we landed on this I was like oh boy here we go so let's talk about Jeff what are you most excited about just just 30000 Foot view we're doing romans. What do you go? Yes I'm excited.
16:22.58
forestandtrees
Man kind kind of like what I was saying before I mean I'm excited to learn like what? what? the good news is where where the joy is you know I feel like Paul uses a lot of positive words. You he don't here. He says good news and he says I have joy in this. He talks about freedom in Christ and life in the spirit and all those things. Um, and again perhaps this is like partially me bringing bringing like my negative. Thoughts about Paul and some of those things he says ah some of them in Roman some of them in in other epistles. So I can't necessarily um, flag him for that in this show you know I'm excited to to give it another chance and see where I've gone wrong. perhaps perhaps I've misjudged this. Biblical character. That's that's what I'm hoping for my own my own road to damascus experience if you will. Yeah, oh yeah, we're going down the road. How about you? What are you excited for.
17:19.10
Jeremy
Oh wow.
17:25.62
Jeremy
Your own Roman Road I like I like it I would say for me I'm really excited to hopefully offer some helpful ways of better understanding a book that does get used often.
17:35.37
forestandtrees
Ah, sorry.
17:43.77
Jeremy
So this is you know, probably more than hebrews. This is a book that that gets quoted a lot and probably more so than people realize truthfully when you will get in some of these patches like oh that's where but that's where that idea comes from you know Romans just one of those books that for whatever reason.
17:50.65
forestandtrees
Um.
18:01.87
Jeremy
Has been very accessible to a lot of people and gets used a lot and I would suggest not always probably the way it was intended but I'm excited to bang the good news gong each week just banging it Jesus. It's good. All this is good. Even though it looks bad, you just confusing is good and and so yeah, we're just gonna hit it week after week. But as we've talked about we've also acknowledged this one's gonna it's gonna be some challenges. So Jeff if if you I don't know what word do we want to use here if you were to say I don't know maybe where would you regret. That we put this up to a vote and allowed allowed the listeners to get us into romans where where do you think you might regret that.
18:48.73
forestandtrees
Yeah, as ah as I said in what an Instagram comment I feel like we turned the people over to their sinful desires and now they're going to be suffering the consequences. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Ah.
18:53.55
Jeremy
I Love that I saw that we gave you over to your own depravity.
19:06.28
forestandtrees
Yeah, so so as I've alluded to early like earlier in this episode I feel like I've had a lot of kind of hangups about Paul like I said I used to be a really big fan of of the guy and and his writings and like over time I've come to think of him more and more as kind of like. Your grumpy uncle at Thanksgiving. You know who just like has some things to say has maybe some unfortunately outdated opinions about certain people groups and just wants to spew them out and so it's like just imagine if what if what if that uncle because we all have one just.
19:37.72
Jeremy
Ah.
19:43.66
forestandtrees
Said something and for whatever reason it was just canonized in the bible forever and it became Gospel or not gospel. It became epistle. So once again I'll I'll admit that I'm I'm bringing this to to the text. Maybe I'm.
19:49.19
Jeremy
Yeah, that's that's problematic. Yeah, that's problematic.
20:01.25
forestandtrees
I'm judging it a little bit too harshly. Ah it and I'm hoping to to come out a changed man. So those those are some things that I'm a little bit nervous about what about what about you? What are what are your trepidations.
20:12.98
Jeremy
I like it.
20:21.20
Jeremy
Okay, so here's ah I'm gonna and introduce a word that is common in my circle but may not be as familiar to others I am a little bit hesitant because the Theobros love this book and they love to pounce on people.
20:36.80
forestandtrees
Mm.
20:38.85
Jeremy
Using the book of romans and if you don't know what theobros refers to it's kind of just the way to describe a certain type of person that is usually pretty legalistic and rigid in their understanding of scripture and when they want to. You know, dunk on you online or respond to something that you know I've said online they always got some snarky comment with ah you know a verse to back it up and this is a book that they love they they quote it a lot and I'm gonna have to get into the verses that they quote and try to offer a different way. In fact, I got into a social media exchange just just last week where I posted a clip from a recent sermon of mine and honestly I was just trying to get the clip under a minute so I could get it on like Youtube shorts and stuff and so I'm thinking this is a minute clip. It's not even.
21:33.57
forestandtrees
Um.
21:35.69
Jeremy
And in the clip I'm literally just talking about hey the point of christianity isn't about making you a good person. The point is for you to experience Jesus find your life in Jesus literally less than 60 seconds and I'm thinking this is not this this clip's gonna be fine. You know this thing goes viral like on. Think it was Instagram it really took off and I'm like 20000 views on this and I'm like what it's you know it's such a short little clip but some guy just pounces on me and you you'll appreciate this Jeff he he referred to me as a hipster pastor. He's like when are these hipster pastors.
22:07.83
forestandtrees
Ah.
22:09.71
Jeremy
Gonna preach the true gospel and if you could put like the essence of a theo bro into 1 sentence that sentence captures it because he's insulted me I'm a hip surpassor I'm already discredited and then you know everything I just preached is a parcel gospel. He has the true gospel I do not. You know? So it's like slam dunk to which I replied when will theob bros celebrate people being drawn to Jesus you know and that was like there you go so theobros love this book and this is where I'm like we're gonna get into. Theobro lore here. But I'm gonna challenge a lot of the way that's used and hopefully if Theobros have used the book of romans on you, you're gonna go hey there's other ways of maybe looking at that if we take a step back and let's keep Jesus in mind. So that's what I'm I'm a little bit.
22:51.40
forestandtrees
Um.
23:07.68
Jeremy
Like ah boy but there's opportunity there so we'll see we'll see if we can come out of it without the Theo Bros winning and just pouncing on us the whole time.
23:17.80
forestandtrees
Yeah, so such were some of you right? I feel like I might may have been a theo bro at one point back in the day I mean I I used to this is something I should share about my favorites I I was digging out. Ah this old bible I've had over 10 years now
23:21.53
Jeremy
Were you were you a theo bro.
23:35.66
forestandtrees
And ah, I've got all kinds of things underlined and circled in romans this used to be my favorite ah verse ever like just you know because you have to have a favorite bible verse if you're a christian and my favorite was romans 34 and the holy spirit helps us in our weakness. For example. We don't know what god wants us to pray for but the holy spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words ah that so that's not It's probably not as theo bro as saying like there is none righteous, not even 1 or something like that.
24:01.97
Jeremy
Um.
24:07.49
Jeremy
Yeah, it's thus snarky enough to be a theobrotext.
24:11.72
forestandtrees
Yeah, that you know that was like that verse really appealed to me because it's It's like the appeal to mystery you know, like what? what is the workings of the spirit and also just like I don't know what to pray for half the time. So it's nice to know there's someone else doing the heavy lifting for me. Yeah yeah.
24:25.57
Jeremy
Ah, Paul's with you. Yeah, Paul's like what are we praying for I don't know.
24:30.85
forestandtrees
Ah I mean all all that to say you know I certainly you know, used to be a very conservative Christian who like took all this stuff to heart. Ah, the roman stuff about you know, like there are people who are like we are just clay jars right? and some of us are meant for glorification and some of us are meant for destruction you know I used to think like ah I don't like that I don't like the sound of that. But I mean it's in the bible. So I guess that's just the way it is you know I'm excited to talk about that passage when we get to it.
25:01.57
Jeremy
Yeah, so Theo bro's love this. Is you know I I post a lot of content on you know, different social media channels and so like I I get all sorts of different reactions and what what? ah.
25:12.31
forestandtrees
Um.
25:16.85
Jeremy
Normally I get from a theo bro is they'll just quote a verse. So like I'll I'll have a post and all they'll respond is just one verse that you know they think just disproves everything I just said and that that is like the essence of a theopro like yeah, but what about this and so ah I normally would let those go.
25:26.74
forestandtrees
And.
25:35.96
Jeremy
These days I'm like I don't know my tolerance for mischief is increasing So I'm like all right? So now whenever they do that I just quote a verse back to them that says the opposite of the verse they quoted because it's like yeah I know the but I know the bible too. So if we just want to quote verses at each other you know so this guy.
25:44.21
forestandtrees
Um, yeah.
25:53.50
Jeremy
You know that referencing the the theobre he you know he quoted some verse at me and so then I quoted a verse back at him and you know and then he was like well yes amen to that but that verse is rap. You know you like somebody is like well yeah I I I know the bible too like I can quote verse at you. Um, but I think Atheo bro the essence is like if I quote a verse at you I just shut you down you lose because my understanding of that verse is the right understanding and you know as we've hopefully made very well known throughout this podcast. We don't expect anybody to have. You know, only 1 understanding of averse and that's why we're doing what we're doing because there's lots of ways understanding this stuff and exploring it and that's why we have these conversations. So hopefully the very nature of this study of the book of romans will dismantle a little bit of the spirit of the theobro. But maybe that's just a hip surpassor talking I don't know.
26:46.57
forestandtrees
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, take take it down a notch there hipster pastor. We're not, we're not in Portland anymore. Okay, um, what was I going to say I mean that's that's the thing about the bible right? it's.
26:56.13
Jeremy
Oh bad.
27:03.76
forestandtrees
It seems to have like opposite things to say about the same subject from one book to the other at times. Um.
27:06.28
Jeremy
It really does which is funny if you read the thing in its entirety you're like well you have that verse and you have that verse and you've got to figure out what to do with both.
27:17.67
forestandtrees
Yeah, 1 Ah, one of the big parts of my personal disillusionment was because I was I was this was a very theobro thing that was taught to me for sure was the idea that the bible never contradicts itself and I certainly don't agree with that anymore I mean I think you can be a Christian and and live in the tension. But.
27:25.13
Jeremy
No.
27:34.56
forestandtrees
Yeah I feel like that's kind of a theobro type attitude of like it's true because the bible says is true and all it needs all you need to do is proof text one verse and there you go another thing that possibly will be good about this season is.
27:45.85
Jeremy
Well, ah.
27:49.78
forestandtrees
Next time a theo bro comments on you. You've now you'll now have a library of clips that you can share of like oh yeah, we actually talked about the nuances of this passage for a 45 minutes straight so you can just go ahead and watch this video. Yeah yeah.
27:58.45
Jeremy
Right? Please reference episode 4 You know me like this here's the Link. That's Awesome. No I was thinking as you're talking the you know well I'm just gonna quote a verse and you know that proves it. It's it's the image to me of like an extension kit cord. With like or a power strip that's plugged into itself like well yeah, that's that's not going to do anything like yeah, the the core can can plug back into itself but like you don't That's just circular like there's there's nothing.. That's not gonna work. You know.
28:20.81
forestandtrees
Um, yeah, yeah.
28:35.80
Jeremy
And I that's the image always come my mind you know when these people are just like well this is true because the bible says it's true good. But you're you're just you're plugging the cord back into the power strip like it that that cord's got to plug into something else. You know I mean for for the power ship to work and ah.
28:39.68
forestandtrees
Yeah.
28:49.80
forestandtrees
Right? I mean the the bible is is god inspired because the bible says it's got inspired right in in Timothy when it's all scriptures god breathed and useful for teaching. It's a yeah circular logic there.
28:54.89
Jeremy
Right? Which is the yeah if that's all you have you know if you're only if your only answer is because the bible said so then if that doesn't go far. With people who don't already believe what you believe about the bible.
29:15.90
forestandtrees
Totally totally? Ah ah 1 I guess one other hesitation I have about romans is it. It feels like somewhat similar to Hebrews. You know, probably probably different in tone and stuff like that. But it has a lot of kind of the same points about um. Atonement theory and things like that. So like I said before I want to try to not be too repetitive with relitigating this stuff I suppose like Paul as a theologian maybe has a slightly different version or understanding of atonement theory than the author febers does. But. I get that I guess that was ah another reason I was just surprised people voted for it I figured for me myself I wanted to mix things up with a different kind of book. But I guess I guess the people want what they want? Yeah, ah, if only there was a second hebrews.
29:58.27
Jeremy
They want more. They want more hebrews. Yeah, we tried we. We picked to only different genres for this one and you guys went back you you went back to the new testament letter you what you wanted it. So here we are.
30:16.74
forestandtrees
Here We are yeah hope hope you're happy. Ah yeah, that yeah Theo Bros right in. Let us know like what? why did you pick the book of Romans that I'd be I'd be curious to hear from people.
30:17.33
Jeremy
Here We shall be.
30:27.38
Jeremy
I suspect we don't have a ton of Theo Bros following following this podcast. That's just my that's my guess
30:34.22
forestandtrees
Yeah, we should have some on you know, maybe we need some more ah diversity of opinion on this show. Ah, ah yeah I think that's all I have to to say about.
30:42.70
Jeremy
Oof Yeah, they they have their own podcast. They can have they can have those airwaves.
30:52.68
forestandtrees
About the book of Romans so far I'm you know I'm intrigued but a little bit nervous as well. Do you have more thoughts to me anything else. You want to wet our listeners appetite with.
31:00.66
Jeremy
I think it's gonna be good I'm excited I will just say this you know we talked about my my trifecta being toward the end. So here's your here's your teaser as we close this one out next week's a doozy chapter 1
31:12.30
forestandtrees
Um.
31:18.29
Jeremy
Does not Paul does not ease his way into this letter. So if you're like oh we're going to have to wait for the good stuff. Nope chapter 1 It's coming in with a bang. We've already alluded to it and some of our phrases we've used thus far. We're going to get into it. It's it's a very. I don't know if controversial is the right word. It's a very heated very debated chapter and so it's going to be right out of the gate coming in hot next week. So I'm looking forward to it and then maybe we can cool off a little bit from that before we get to the trifecta but well we'll have to just see how this plays out Jeff I don't know. I don't know. But.
31:57.73
forestandtrees
Yeah, yeah, we'll be coming in with a bang for sure. Ah, all right? cool. Well thanks everyone for listening. It's been It's been too long. You know I appreciate everyone hanging with us and voting in the poll. All that stuff. Ah. Yeah, please reach out send us an email reach out to us on social media. Let us know like your thoughts your questions your concerns about the book of romans and we will try to address them all 1 chapter at a time starting next week